Thursday, October 6, 2011

Tokyo QF - David vs Andy Murray

(AP Photo)


UpdateII (07/10)
It was a lot closer than the last time around but in the end, it wasn't enough. After an hour and 39 minutes, and some very entertaining tennis, it was Andy Murray, who prevailed 6-4, 7-5.

David will now head on to Shanghai for next week's Masters event.

Recording now available via David on Screen.


More soon...








(AP Photo/Reuters; montage by VD)

















Update (07/10)
7pm local - Ferrer has just defeated Stepanek. Next up now: David and Andy Murray.

After an easy first round and a slightly more difficult second round, in the quarterfinal the time has now come for the big test - in form of Andy Murray (#4), the second seed at this event, who arrived in  Tokyo straight after winning the title at Bangkok last week. And whose self-professed goal (as he has already qualified for the World Tour Final) now is to take the #3 spot from Roger Federer.

During the interview after his match against Dodig, David was asked about Murray, you've probably seen it. And the first thing that came to his mind was that they've met many times before and know each other's games. Actually, this will only be their sixth encounter since the first one back in 2005 (David won the first two, Murray the last three). But I guess the memory of the last one is still fresh and not just in my mind.

Exactly 50 days have gone by since David's last match against Andy Murray. It took place in the second round at Cincy - and it wasn't pretty. From the baseline David was more than able to keep with Murray and he broke him three times. But since he only managed to hold serve twice in the entire match he ended up getting merely five games. In short, David will get his chances, in the rallies and the return games. But most of all he'll have to serve well - or he'll pay the price again.

86 comments:

  1. i didnt know that Ashot, ty.
    @julia, i was finally able to DL the Dodig match :) but maybe u upload the murray match in the zip format again, 3 files would be even better than 2.
    anyways i asked for an early exit from the hospital today, so am going to my sister's house with the British girl to watch the match.I was really amazed by the type of groundstrokes david was hitting on both sides painting the lines, of course UEs as well lol. I really liked the cross court forehands, that could hurt Murray. I hacve the feeling he will win today.

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  2. I guess you mean the Troicki match. It's split up like that because you can only upload files up to a certain size. And Winrar allows you to split single files that are too big, like the recording of that match.

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  3. Is the TennisTV sign in button currently broken?

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  4. I managed to sign in via the "Sign Up" button on the home page (then: "already registered?"). That worked.

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  5. anyone have a good stream? i cant find one please

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  6. Stream links are in the sidebar.

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  7. The streams quality is good,but I seem to have no sound on the LSH one.

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  8. unfortunately I am at the moment in school where is bad internet connection especially in a class where I am now, the video looks more like live pictures lol and it's the only stream which goes in school but in 10 minutes I will be in my class where it's better connection and not so much pauses every second.

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  9. Bad way to lose the serve.

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  10. same here, no sound on the LSH (StreamHQ) one, though the image is fine :)
    Vamos David!!!!!

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  11. Has this guy Murray ever in his carer made a UE,its crazy.

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  12. He's making a fair share of return errors.

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  13. I was almost sure that Murray begins with aces and service winners immediately after 0:30, and then at 30:30 on David's serve I haven't watched anything and can't watch any more because the only working stream for me is banned. After that 30:30 I was worried that he loses the serve and it happened.

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  14. the same stream is back at least

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  15. i bet if it was the davis cup nalbandian would not have played like crap
    because right now im not sure its him on the court
    murray is a pusher
    any decent form by nalbandian would have been a bash
    but why would he try to play his best ?
    its not the davis
    its dissapinting

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  16. aaaaah Murray :( 100% points won after his 1st serve. Okay... haha.

    come on David!!!!!

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  17. i feel by loving nalbandian is like being in love with the most beautiful girl in the world and being betrayed by her repeatedly only to come back for more each time

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  18. David isn't playing like crap. Murray is just playing a little better than him.

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  19. look at that backhand passing shot by Murray. I mean, he plays better than David today. Nothing less.
    David doesn't play like crap imo...

    come on!!!!

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  20. Level of play today is pretty much enough to beat a few top 15 players.

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  21. I also feel like Murrays level is dropping now.

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  22. it reminds me to the quarterfinal match against Roddick in Basel where both were constant on serve, Nalbi with 1 unconcentrated service game in each set and making more errors in rallies than usual when he is dominating

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  23. I am following by scoreboard (yeah, I know, yuck yuck), and I do notice that David has picked up his level a bit. In order to draw level with Murray, he has to take it to him on his serve and MAKE HIM earn his points rather than giving them to him.

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  24. I think his level was higher in the first.

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  25. David isn't playing better today than yesterday but serving better maybe?
    oooh 0:30 now which hasn't to do with bad serve

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  26. long rally, and of course it's David who makes the error.
    He hits as usually more on/near lines, makes the beautiful shots but in the end the UE
    I am pissed off

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  27. guys nalbandian is not playing well
    not by a long shot
    and that level wont be enough against ferrer or nadal

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  28. Forget about the serve I mean he usually losses his serve once a set,the problem today is getting no looks on the Murray serve,I dont think hes even had a break point.

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  29. I just find he's playing with very little patience, not waiting long enough to pull the trigger because Murray keeps extending the point. Otherwise playing alright. Damn that break though.

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  30. thats the nalbandian i want to see amazing stuff

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  31. Oh yeah,love to see Murray mad.

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  32. Classic rebreak after the break.Bad call to not hit the 30 all volley.

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  33. nalbandian just remembered that he needs to dissapoint us

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  34. oh no :( it's frustrating but... I mean, it's Murray at the other side of the net... grrrr

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  35. of course, after a break he must got broken himself, no free point on serve, first point Murray wins with luck and that is.
    Murray defends super, with lots of pressure and David is making in the end UE mostly or can't defend himself beeing in pressure because he can't run like Murray and other top players to be able to defend so good.

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  36. Hopefully he holds this time.

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  37. its one of the first times i seen him fight not i a davis cup match

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  38. Well, David faces two more break points. He's not doing enough on his own serve to make an impact.

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  39. nalbandian is a loser
    he doesnt have a serve to get free points its impossible to win like that

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  40. Haha,this is just crazy.

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  41. The only loser here is you Isis.

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  42. oh come on Isis, David is not a loser. We all know how he plays and how he serves...
    It's Murray at the over side of the net...

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  43. Can we stop the name-calling, please. Thanks.

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  44. Because it isn't Davis Cup, when Murray is under pressure he comes to the net but the last ball he doesn't place with pressure and good in the field and gifts Murray the point, he was dominating all rallies on own serve but losing mostly because of his own errors.

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  45. i just cant stand the fact he cant beat the top 4

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  46. Although he lost the match, but it is much closer than the scores in the last match. I hope he would treat the loss positively - he is playing someone who is about to move up to #3 ranking in the world!

    I rather hope he has a good draw next week, since it is a big tournament.

    If he wants to get seeded for Australian Open 2012, he must win a small indoor tournament later this year...

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  47. adrian i just think he doesnt put the same effort in the atp
    look how he played in the end in comparison to the first set
    its frustrating
    we all know that when he is playing well hell beat murray time and time again

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  48. it's unbelievable, he does the same thing today as yesterday. He gets broken after a break, but today even 2 times in a row. It's so frustrating.

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  49. that was the same David like yesterday with better serve only but without free points on first serve. I had out 30 minutes ago but didn't left the school because wanted to watch until the end, now I must take the next train lol

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  50. He got quite a lot of cheap points on serve from all those returns Murray missed, especially in the first set.

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  51. The thing that just baffles me is that not that long ago a large number of people in this community after he lost to Blake and Wawrinka were saying stuff like.Hes done,please retire,he doesnt have it anymore,his body is just to bad and all kinds of garbage like that,and now only 2 months later people are about to cry because he losses to Murray(no.3) in two close sets.Hey after only a few tournaments Im happy he can beat guys ranked in the 30s or even around 15 like Troicki.We can start talking about guys like Murray,Fed and Nadal after he for once stays healthy for a year.I just cant understand some people here.

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  52. Isis, please stop!! The top 4 is nothing to sneeze at. Collectively, they have over 20 slam titles and oodles of Masters titles. They are talented and excellent at what they do. If David can manage to keep it close and not embarrass himself, then I'd say he put in a good day. Not on the winning end, but a good performance nonetheless. And it kills me that you and fans like you come onto this blog or other sites and have these unrealistic expectations for David and what his capabilities are. We know how talented he is, but...and a big BUT...he has not lived up to the potential we all see. And the commentators spent some time discussing this too-and they are right. Meanwhile, the top 4 that he is supposed to beat-and according to you, beat comprehensively-racked up credential after credential, demonstrating their talent and their value to the game. So, I say this, credential over potential any day of the week, no matter how you spin it.

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  53. I was encouraged when David broke for 5-5, but then my system crashed. What bad timing. Obviously another break and a hold and that was it. David only won 26 percent of his second serves and that really hurt. The rallies were pretty good from what I saw.

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  54. And another thing. The pusher comments are too over-the-edge for me. Apparently, David did not push hard enough himself to beat a "pusher," so it's a moot discussion. Try the other one, please.

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  55. I just think that the days when David could beat anyone on a good day are over. That reputation of his is based on matches and wins that all have one thing in common - they took place before his hip surgery. Since then, he hasn't been able to pull off a victory like that. And as far as I'm concerned that's perfectly understandable. He's at a different stage of his career now. And you can either choose to enjoy what he still has to give or have unrealistic expectations and be frustrated all the time.

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  56. adrian you have a point but im frustrated not because the loss but because he can play so well if he wears a davis cup shirt but if he plays for himself he just drops his level
    thats a thing he will regret in the future

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  57. David does well in DC. But that was Troicki. This was Murray. And whether you like him or not, that's a big difference.

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  58. Julia, agree wholeheartedly. David is not the same person or player as he was, say, five or six years ago. We cannot continue to hold him to the same expectations that we used to. Over the years of supporting him, I had to temper my expectations to what was really going on, not to what I wish would happen. Like I said before, he's had opportunity after opportunity to advance to the level that we know he's capable of, but he hasn't-and that's due to a combination of factors. Without going too much into it, I will say that, when it's time to hang up the racquets for good, he will rue those missed opportunities.

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  59. ok so you are telling me that whenever i see a top ten player to expect a loss?
    not to believe in him anymore?
    he is the best player ive seen on the court along with federer
    he should have beaten murray in paris 10 he should have won against nadal in miami 2010
    i dont agree his days are over

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  60. I just think hes on his way to peak for DC when its gonna be most important and hopefully that can carry on to Australia.These 500s and 250s indoor dont concern me.Shanghai of course is a important tournament and I think he should really try hard there,but these other smalls ones dont really matter to me that much.I think everything is on plan and he wont be too concerned about this loss.Anyways the draw for Shanghai is I think in 10:30 tomorrow,local time in China.

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  61. and if david would read these comments he will be disapointed because i think he knows that he can playe better and win against nadal murray djoko and federer

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  62. David is no longer a Top10 player. That's simply a fact and has nothing to do with not believing in him anymore. It's reality.
    And yeah, I guess he'd be disappointed to read that you think he hardly ever fights in his matches... I mean, seriously. I don't even know what to say to you anymore because you keep contradicting yourself.

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  63. Really, Isis? Disappointed? I would think he'd be more disappointed at himself than at us. We are his fans; however, he has formed a cool detachment (a Teflon shield, if you will) from criticism wherever it comes from, and it does HIM no good to dwell on what could happen with roger, rafa, djoko, murray, etc. They are the stars in the game right now and have the results to back it up.

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  64. nalbandian is superior to murray in every shot besides the serve and defence(movement(
    serve - murray
    forehand - nalbandian
    backhand - nalbandian
    slice - even
    lob - nalbandian
    net game - nalbandian
    stamina - murray
    why he cant win? i dont see murray out playing nalby

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  65. And on the positive side, he has gained some ranking points with this result. The focus should not be on who he could or should beat. We are basing that assumption on, like Julia said, past results and rankings. Let's accept reality as it is today and find some pleasure in being able to see him play wherever it is.

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  66. Give it time my fellow Vamos Daviders,lets see some consistency for some time,no injuries and Im 100% sure he will be in the top 20 after Indian Wells and Miami,if not even top 10.

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  67. Unfortunately, Isis, your argument doesn't hold much water. You say that David has it all over Murray in the shot department, but Murray has the intangibles, the mental edge that is needed to take more risks and gamble a bit. Your assumptions are based on playing it safe and being so-so on the day. Murray is not that. He has learned how to take calculated risks because he's learned how to play the top three (not with great results, mind you, but it's a learning experience worth noting).

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  68. Exactly, Tiffany. Let's enjoy following David's career while we still can. Clinging on to what was in the past or what would've could've, should've been - it's pointless.

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  69. And that mental edge is what got him the win today. Like it or not, Murray outpaces David in that area, and it is has become increasingly important in today's game. Reading a player, knowing how to push buttons and pull triggers to make things happen.

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  70. i believe he can go back to top ten
    just he needs to want it badly

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  71. And Isis, just to sum up things on my end: I'm afraid that you are making too many assumptions about David's game, what results he should/could achieve, and what kind of players the top four are. With that, I think you need to further educate yourself about the players you think he can beat because, truth be told, this is not 2004 or 2005 anymore. The game has changed, and with it, David's game has not. And that is why he is not able to beat the current crop of players like you think he should. Please, if you will, stop with the generalizations and examine reality. I think you'll come away with this with a better appreciation of what it takes to be successful on the 2011 ATP circuit.

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  72. Wanting it badly means upgrading one's attitude and work ethic, not wishing and hoping it will happen. That is what the top four have done: they have gotten proactive about their game and their future in it. They figure it's their livelihood, and they must work to obtain maximum results. They know that talent alone will not cut it: they have to have the stamina, mental fortitude, and the patience to ride out ebbs and flows in their own games. Furthermore, they believe that observing the players ranked ahead of them will give them an idea of what to work toward, and they PUT IN THE WORK!!! The commentators alluded to that in their coverage of David's match with Dodig. A pair of great hands is no good when you don't combine that with a commitment to working on the other aspects of your career. You can't rely on that alone to get it done.

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  73. Well, I see Top 20, maybe Top 10, but certainly not Top 5. The fact that David's not going to win a major or probably another masters doesn't really bother me anymore. If he stays healthy, we might have a couple more years to enjoy one of the greatest shotmakers of all time. I say let's enjoy. David is still good. Damn good. The Top 4 right now are probably as good a group as any in the modern era. Maybe ever. Like Julia says, there's the hip. And David is almost 30. It's not 2007 anymore.

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  74. Yeah, it's no use, living in the past. And least of all at the expense of enjoying what's still there to enjoy. I can't believe I'm the only one who remembers just how close David's career came to being over 2 years ago. I'm just glad he's still there. And yeah, John - he's still damn good. :)

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  75. Yes, he still has "it." Let's just enjoy it as long as we can, and as long as he's willing to give what he's got.

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  76. And Adrian, you're not the only one who's baffled sometimes. Anyway, yep, draw for Shanghai at 10.30am local tomorrow. 4.30am for me... Not going to stay up for it but I'll be checking it first thing in the morning. Hope David gets lucky.

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  77. Since Nalby is so prone to injury + is dedicated to Davis Cup, I suggest the following 2012 schedule:
    1) Brisbane (then 1-week rest until Australian Open; he always run out of gas when playing a warm-up tournament just before it)
    2) Australian Open
    3) Buenos Aires
    4) Acapulco
    Davis Cup Round 1
    5) Indian Wells (I actually would suggest him to skip this one)
    6) Miami
    7) Monte Carlo
    8) Madrid
    9) Rome
    10) Roland Garros
    11) London
    12) Wimbledon
    Davis Cup QF
    13) Washington
    14) Montreal
    15) Cincinnati
    16) US Open
    Davis Cup SF
    17) Beijing/Tokyo
    18) Shanghai
    19) Basel
    20) Paris
    Davis Cup Final!

    I still think it would be sad if he fails to win a Grand Slam, but I hope he would first win Davis Cup, then finally could have the health to play injury-free for the whole year in 2012. Had he been healthy in 2007-2011, I would not say he could win a slam, but at least would reach few more SF/QF.

    I predict he will only have 1 deep run (reaching final) in a GS left in his career - hopefully it will be Wimbledon 2012? [reaching final exactly 10 years later] Perhaps grass is not his best surface, but somehow I think this is the slam he has the highest chance to win, as not too many players play well on grass.

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  78. Anonymous, I would suggest he skip any tournament in which he has not performed well in the past. But that's me talking...carry on.

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  79. Next year, the first round of DC will take place before the South American events. And I'd prefer David going back to playing Kooyong as warm-up for the AO. But that's not just his decision.
    I mean, it'll also depend on his ranking, what it's going to look like next year. And on whether or not he'll be a commitment player next season.
    - Apart from that, yeah, he is prone to injuries and that makes it difficult to know how much he'll be able to play.

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  80. And I'm afraid I'll have to disagree about Wimbledon.

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  81. I don't think he could necessarily get himself an invitation to Kooyong anymore.

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  82. That's what I meant by not just his decision.

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  83. Right, I was skim reading there, sorry. There are so many comments on this match, lol.

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